Phil Baker currently living in New York, United States is one of those people who never stop questioning the meaning and mystery of life and look for answers in most unusual ways. He will not give up until his inner curiosity and need to know the truth whatever that truth is is fully fulfilled. Astrology was a subject that took his attention in his early twenties and kept him fascinated to this day. From that was born a certain understanding and philosophy on life and its meaning.
He likes quoting personas like Winston Churchill, who once said, "A fanatic is one who cannot change his mind and will
not change the subject." Phil Baker seems to be a person able to discuss many themes with you on many levels. I see him not only as a astrologer but also as a philosopher who dares not only to talk but also live his truth.
I
got intrigued by your huge knowledge in astrology. Why astrology,
Phil? What brought you on this path of mystery?
I
didn't know anything about astrology throughout college, never
thought about it. After college, where I had written plays, I thought
I wanted to work as a writer, journalist, advertiser or such, but
there was no work available then. At least I couldn't find any.
Someone mentioned astrology to me, so I casually looked it up. It
seemed interesting, though I was sceptical; the more I read, though,
the more surprised I was at how accurate it was, certainly about me
and then others. More because I needed money than anything else, I
started doing horoscopes for friends, charging a pretty low price. I
found I was pretty good, and more people came. I thought I would do
it for a while, until something else comes along. You know the rest,
years later, I still am. Any time I tried to switch, it never worked.
The more I got into it, and read deeply, also into psychology,
philosophy, history, mystical and spiritual writings, including your
favourite Rumi, and others, the more I felt it was a very ancient and
very strong way of explaining people and the world. I still do. I
have seen virtually every human situation. I love getting to the
depths about people and hardly ever take anyone on face value. And I
believe that countries, religions, races and beliefs are rather
superficial in certain ways, they have their place but people are far
more alike deep down than not. Thus, prejudice and hatred are not
only immoral but really stupid. They are delusions. Astrology is a
universal way of defining people and character in a non-judgemental
fashion. And aesthetically pleasing too. I also believe that we have
free will, but within an overall pattern really. We are supposed to
meet the important people we do, for a reason, and if you have no
natural rapport with someone, try as you will, you will never link up
with them or stay with them. I have often seen this. Astrology can
show this too.
How
reliable astrology can be, Phil?
Astrology
is reliable if it is used right. Most people think of it in terms of
predictions. Regarding this, the rule is no matter what the
prediction, nothing can happen potentially that is not in the natal
horoscope. You have to have the possibility there for some prediction
to take place. If you are supposed to concentrate on religious
matters or meditation or such, and that is your path, then no matter
how good the predictions, you will not win an Academy Awards or get
married or star as a great baseball player. However, within that
context, there are many things you can do. If your main path is
domestic or maternal or familial or romantic, then even the best
aspect for career will be of little relevance. But most people have
many outlets for predictive trends, within their blueprint, and so it
is very useful for one to know these. But perhaps the most useful
part of astrology and reliable is actually the birth horoscope. This
is a very reliable indication of the personality, relationship
possibility, career, travel, friends, psychology and much else. It is
really useful to know this because you don't waste time on things
that have no relevance to your talents and goals. Or people.
Astrology is also very useful and reliable in comparison work. It
will show how compatible you are with another person, in love,
business, friendship or anything. Many times people get involved for
the wrong reasons. 'Love' alone is not enough, or even sufficient
reason for a relationship. It doesn't even mean much, since people
put whatever they want in that word, egotism, jealousy,
possessiveness, sex, etc. Ideally, signs, planets and aspects should
show reasonably good rapport, harmony and mutual energy and
interests. The more the better ,in fact. This is easy to see in a
comparison. also ,very reliable. It usually translates into the daily
world into really liking the other person, feeling comfortable and
strong attraction too. In all these ways, prediction, natal analysis,
and comparison, if done correctly, astrology can be very reliable
indeed.
How
do you do your readings? Are there any special charts of zodiacs that
you rely on?
There
are books that are called ephemeris, which are collections of
planetary placements by years. But now, most astrology calculations
are done on computer. There are many different programs. But they all
come up with the same basic horoscope to start with. You use
longitude, latitude, time, place, day, month and year for the
information. All astrologers do this for calculation. After that, the
art comes in interpretation.
So
if you were to do a reading for me, what would you rely on? Would you
like to do a short reading for me for readers to see?
If
I were to do a reading for you, I would rely on your birth date,
month, year, time and place.
If
you like, I can do a short reading on you, as an example, certainly.
It should give a decent idea of it.
Here
is a short reading based on your Sun and moon combination, the most
basic of all, the core energy of the horoscope, the real you, so to
speak:
You
are Sagittarius Sun and Libra moon. You are a very active person,
with broad, expansive ideas and schemes though not always realistic.
Once you get enthused over something, you will try and follow it
through, sometimes ignoring certain practicalities. But you are
forceful and idealistic, and often can put your ideas across to the
world if you learn tact and diplomacy. You are social, friendly and
like to be with people. You really do need affection and love, and
usually can get it. The opposite sex likes you, and you should be
popular. But you get bored rather easily, and it takes someone quite
smart, grounded and interesting to hold you for long. Thus, we often
find several relationships here. You are sincere and direct in love
as in other things. You don't like small talk much. You do like big
ideas and discussions and debates about philosophy and religion and
maybe the arts and world affairs. Your intuition is strong and
usually accurate and you do well to follow it. When younger, you were
naive, and taken in, but by now you are not easy to fool, and can
spot phonies easily. You are a warm and generous person. You are
refined and discriminating in the arts and with people and who you
spend time with.
You
are honourable, idealistic and philosophical. You are ambitious in a
way, but your principles are more important to you. You don't care
about money or power for their own sake, though you may use them for
other purposes. You love books and ideas, and have a strong
imagination certainly. You like to own your own home. In love, also,
you look for people to balance you out. Thus, those who are more
practical, or stable in some way, or provide reliability and
security. You are active, mobile and love to travel. Not only
physically but mentally as well. You can handle details but don't
like them especially, as indicated it is the broad, general idea that
counts with you. You are democratic, liberal and a true reformer, and
despise prejudice, bigotry, materialism and negativity a lot. You
love beauty in nature and the arts and people too. You can be too
direct at times, and thus can make opponents when you don't have to.
You are loyal to those you love, and would do anything for them.
Though very independent, you are quite sensitive and easily hurt,
though don't always show it. In love, mental rapport, mutual respect
are the most important things, and then the other, usual factors.
Phil,
what kind of meaning does astrology have in your life? What role does
it take?
Aside
from the obvious that it is how I make my money, Astrology has a
couple of roles for me. I have been doing it so long it is like an
old friend, interesting, wise and always available. It is
aesthetically very pleasing, and harmonious. It is intellectually
interesting and very linked to other disciplines in different ways. I
even like the historical element in it, since it is found in many civilisations going back around three thousand years or so. And
finally it gives a superb tool for understanding self and others.
Amusingly, when I tell people what I do, they usually either get very
interested, or find a reason to go. More of them are interested,
though. And because to many it is different or nonconformist, it has
gotten me into pretty exclusive places and people I would not
otherwise have been or met. These are some ways it influences me. Of
course, I used it for prediction too.
How
does it feel using astrology in order to predict future? Do you use
it for yourself frequently?
Regarding
prediction, I do use it for myself as a good way to watch trends and
timing too. However, I am not a servant to it, it is a useful tool
that I have found works nicely. It feels pretty natural by now. In a
way, it is like the weather, you can tell when it is good to go
forward and when it is not as great, perhaps. That is a good way to
look at it.
What
would you tell to people who do not believe in existence and truths
of astrology?
Regarding
those who are against it, and such, it depends. If they are really
against it, on dogmatic grounds, like extreme fundamentalism or
scientific ideology, you can't do anything, they just want to argue
or prove how right they are in that and everything usually. If,
however, they are sceptical, as I originally was, I just suggest that
they actually have theirs done by someone who knows how to do it, and
see what they think. Try it out. Or, they might want to read some
good books on it, and do it on their own too. Either is a good way.
Don't
you feel sometimes living life without relying too much on astrology
and just going with the flow, being in the uncertainty and seeing
what life is about to bring to you?
Absolutely
I do. I actually am a firm believer that being in the present and
following the energies of the moment are often excellent ways to go.
And give great potential as well. I also really like Taoism and the
work of Krishnamurti among others. And practically I have often done
this, and it has taken me to interesting and unusual people and
situations more often than not. But there is not really a
contradiction. The horoscope shows you the blueprint or energy to
work with in different directions, some easier than others. Thus, you
have many choices. It shows possibility, you don't have to do
anything. As to predictions, they show trends, some strong ones it is
true. Thus, if you know you have a very good one coming up for
something you want, you might want to use it. You don't at all have
to. If, instead, you have some difficult ones, you might want to wait
and act another time; but, again, you don't have to and are free to
charge ahead if you wish. In a way, it is like knowing the weather -
it might be cold in two days, with a strong wind, still, you can go
on a picnic then if you like, it is up to you. Thus, really, you can
use astrology as an useful tool in certain circumstances, natal and
predictive to make things easier. I do not advocate people who try
and control everything by it, first, you can't, and second, it is a
misuse of it. That's not what it is for. There is much to be said for
going with the flow, but it is not universally the best thing to do.
What
is your philosophy on life, Phil? How do you live your life, what
values drive you and your decisions?
What
a question, Jolita, though a good one about my philosophy!
In
persecution, cruelty, bigotry, and other such things. Or fanaticism.
I am not conventionally religious, and do not attend any church,
temple, mosque, ashram or coven for that matter. Though I am a firm
believe in religious freedom and have friends from all religions and
none. Also from many different countries. I am existential in some
ways. I believe we make choices and then follow through on them. Not
to choose is to choose. I love books and ideas, and am open to
modifying beliefs through them. I do think the US Bill of rights
guaranteeing personal freedoms may be the greatest document ever. It
is the first 10 Amendments to the constitution written by Jefferson
and Madison. Everyone should read it. It is a great goal to aspire
to. As to astrology, it is a useful and interesting part of my
philosophy, aesthetically pleasing. I have found it very helpful, in
many ways. Also in understanding others. But it is just part of the
overall philosophy. I favour nonconformity to it's opposite usually;
originality to tradition; questioning to ritual acceptance. Though
others certainly have the right to do what they like, I steer clear
of gurus, preachers, pastors, 'sages' and such. That is, those who
claim to speak for a divinity or have it do so through them.
Everybody here is here because they are not divine or all wise! To
say you are, is a way of avoiding getting into the area and dealing
with others equally. We have seen where this leads, in religion,
politics, etc. No one is perfect! Think for yourself. Gandhi told
England to surrender to Hitler, who he called a 'good' man. Mother
Teresa was convinced her dogma was infallible, and superior to
others, and so on. This is not to deny that in other ways they did
very good work; just that they were human, with contradictions and
not perfect at all. For me, personally, history is really important.
As Cicero wrote, Not to know history is to be a child always. I agree
with this. Nations have energies and destinies and personalities. I
can be friends with any individual, but there are countries I would
prefer not to go to. This is because of their pasts or presents, and
the energy therein. As to my own, the USA, I well know we are not
perfect; the African Americans, Native Americans, immigrants and
women too, have not always been treated well. Though we have made
great progress in these areas. But I do think those who founded it,
Franklin, Washington, Madison, Jefferson and such, were inspired by
noble ideas of freedom, democracy, justice and equality, more than
they knew at times, and that is why the US became such a great and
strong nation to live up to these, though it has not always. If it is
to stay great, living up to these beliefs will do it more than just
military or economic power, which anyone can get. A brief look at the
20th Century will show the superiority of Democracy and pluralism and
freedom to anything else, I feel. Also the overall acceptance of
immigrants and diversity is wonderful. Everyone here comes from
somewhere else!! Great mix of cultures and peoples. Finally, I love
women and think women make life worthwhile! To the degree that they
attain equal rights and security after so many centuries of not
having them, it will be a better world. For everyone. And for me
humour is really important. I love to laugh, and like satire and
jokes. And that, Jolita, in a nutshell, is my philosophy.
From
your answer, as I understood, you have certain opinions or
stereotypes and live based on them to even such degree that you
choose not to go to certain places or countries due to their history.
Am I right? You know some people would say that thinking like this
creates only limitation. What would you answer to this?
Excellent
question. First, I did say I would be friends with any individual,
regardless of background or country, if I liked them and would, and
do, judge people as I meet them on their own merits. I have friends
literally of every religion, and many different countries as well:
gay, straight, rich, poor, tall, short and such. Still, it is true I
have opinions - you use the word stereotypes, which literally has a
completely different meaning that are in fact based either on my own
experiences or on people I have met or what I have read. I don't know
anyone who does not. While I am all for broad-mindedness and
inclusiveness, and I am, to say that the past doesn't matter at all,
which is what some people are actually saying, and all that matters
is now, is to be delusional. We are all products of our past, what we
know, learn, study, etc. As George Santayana said, 'Those who do not
study history are condemned to repeat it.' We have seen this often.
While I applaud many new Age concepts, and love many such writers,
they are not always aware of this. Yes, there are certain places I
would not have any desire to go to due to certain events. Is it
limiting? Yes. But why interact with particularly negative energies?
For example, I would not go to a Klan meeting, befriend a Neo Nazi or
Al Quaeda terrorist, or want to spend a lot of time at Aushwitz,
though I would go to the latter to visit for historical and moral
reasons. To say, as some do, that everyone is the same, or equal, and
we should treat them or even all places as the same, forgetting
anything else, is at best naive, and at worst immoral or even
foolish. It is a truth that not everyone wises everyone else well. It
is common sense. There are, I believe, group energies, just as
individual ones, and that is why we tend to be attracted to some
groups, ideas and people, but not others much. We see this easily
when it comes to choosing friends, let alone lovers romantically. We
all have standards and there are some people we simply would never
want to be with. Yes, we are certainly closing the door on them, but
it enables us to direct our energy to those we choose. If you
extrapolate this personal example to a more general one, you can
easily see what I mean. This certainly does not mean I wish them
negative things, not at all. They are free to do what they want. But
what they want, has little rapport with my own interests. I am all
for having new experiences, going to new places, reading new books
and certainly meeting new people; FB alone is wonderful for that. As
is the Internet. I think snobbery, like country clubs and exclusive
neighbourhoods and such, that keep people out because of ethnic
background race or religion is beyond foolish. But I could easily
understand a Bosnian person being very uncomfortable, going to
Srebenica, especially if they lost someone there among the 5,000
civilians killed there. Or, say, a Jewish person being uncomfortable
going to Germany or a country with a strong history of anti Semitism
like Poland. Or even an African American going to rural Mississippi,
knowing the history. Again, I am not saying one shouldn't; not at
all. Just to respect what that means to them, and even those who were
persecuted in those places. I use the above examples by the way, not
arbitrarily, but as actual people I have encountered, as a matter of
interest. In reality, there are few places that fall in that category
for me, personally; were it up to me, I would love to live in a
peaceful, universally prosperous and happy world, certainly! Anyhow,
I hope I've explained what I meant better, and in more detail.
I
appreciate your broad-mindedness. You say, you would like to live in
the peaceful, universally prosperous and happy world. How do you
understand and see a peaceful, universally prosperous and happy
world?
Good
question. Again, in a way, you are asking for my description of
Utopia, since that is what a peaceful, universally prosperous and
happy world would be. But I will answer it. First, and easiest,
universally prosperous means what it says. We currently have the
technology, organization talent, and knowledge to bring about
reasonable universal prosperity. But it is not a priority. Nation
states, political leaders and corporations are interested in power,
accumulating wealth and control, not the other. So you would need the
people of the world, probably led by reformers, intellectuals and
socially aware leaders to rebel against this, hopefully through
electoral or political means, and work to reorganise societies so
that what is important is a certain redistribution of resources such
that one per cent does not control 40 per cent of the wealth as is
now the case everywhere. To a degree, though not a lot, you see this
in the Arab spring, politically. But these societies are still
theocratic, hierarchical and relatively authoritarian, having no
democratic traditions at all. Likely they will go Islamist. You can
see it in Egypt now with the rise of the Muslim brotherhood. Syria is
of course killing it's own people so that Assad can maintain power.
If it happens, it will start in the West, and then hopefully spread
to others. There is some evidence of this, in the disillusion of
young people with traditional parties and leaders, the interest in
'New Age' ideas, social justice and interestingly the decline of
tolerance of prejudice. Look at Obama as US President, it would never
have happened even twenty years ago. Racism is not allowed publicly
in the USA or Europe today; and anti Semitism, for 2,000 years a
staple of European society, up to around fifty or sixty years ago, is
in a general way not allowed or tolerated. Even the universalization
of the Holocaust, debated by some, serves an exemplary purpose; this
is where hatred and stupid prejudice ultimately lead. Who can deny
it? Too, the rise of women and women's rights, which I am all for, is
new and very favourable. And even the fact of divorce increasing, not
happy in itself, still gives people more ways to be with each other
than traditional state sanctioned marriage alone. Globalisation
obviously can indicate potential for economic unification. Thus,
national barriers become less essential. So can increased
communication and mass media, like FB. You and I would never have met
twenty years ago, let alone have conversations like this, happily. So
these are some methods. Ideally, a peaceful world would have no wars,
period. Currently they accomplish nothing. They are an anachronism.
The last war that accomplished anything good was WW II and that ended
67 years ago. There will never ,happily, be another war like that,
things have changed. So we have covered prosperous, everyone has what
they need, at least basics, without constant fear of starvation or
unemployment, etc. We have covered peaceful, no socially approved
mass killing any more, wars. Given these, the third, happiness is
possible. This is subjective. But as Jefferson wrote, it certainly
means each can pursue what he loves or wants in his or her own way.
There are opportunities for self expression, creativity and even just
fun for all. Coercion is minimal at the least. There are different
relationship possibilities for men and women, not one. Children are
loved and encouraged however they grow up. Sexual activities are
consensual, naturally, but not repressed. And people are accepted for
who they are, not as subordinate to another purpose. Access to the
arts is freely available. Necessities are guaranteed. Then it would
be up to each person to find what they love and want the most or who.
We are far from this state of affairs, I know; but it is the best
goal to move toward, I feel. That is my succinct answer to your
question.
PS.
in such a happy society, I might take Jolita out to dinner and
vigorously exchange opinions and humour with her. It would be really
interesting to see who would out-talk the other!!
You
love politics, don't you?
I
do enjoy politics, and follow it, domestic and world. I am liberal
usually, but not violently partisan or anything. I have too a good
sense of humour for that, I think! But in college I majored in
history and more than politics I like that! I like to see how the
past influences the present, national characters, and what we can
learn from that. I do like modern European history a lot, and also
American history. But I read about the ancient world too! People are
usually pretty much the same deep down. They want many of the same
things as humans, I mean. I also like philosophy,
mysticism, spiritual writings, poetry, and literature. As you know, I
like many of the books and writers you do, including your writings.
Yes, I like Rumi, Maharshi, Krishnamurti, Jung, Seth, Abraham and
Eckhart Tolle, among others. And try to use them. I also really like
your cosmopolitan perspective from wide travel, reading and
imagination.
Please
tell me what does astrology have to do with Rumi or Krishnamurti,
Jung or Abraham teachings? Anything in common?
Some.
Jung was interested in it, and studied it and uses it in his
collected works. He applied his ideas of synchronicity and archetypes
to it, so do some astrologers. He also used it as an adjunct to
psychology. So it is definitely linked to him. Rumi lived in an era
when it was common, though I don't know enough about his biography to
know if he was into it. When Krishnamurti was born, an astrologer
told his parents, he would be a great man, and very wise sage. Of
course, it is big in India. I don't think he himself used it however.
He was into meditation, conditioning, mystical awareness and
education reform. Seth talks about it, briefly, but as with
everything, to him it is that if you believe it, then it follows
through, since thought creates Reality. Abraham is, I think, similar.
But I like these books not because of astrology, but because I found
them interesting and very original and useful, actually. I do know
Krishnamurti's horoscope and many other of the sages, they are well
known. Krishnamurti was a great influence on me. Wise man!
Please
tell me, Phil, can astrology explain relationship and people's
compatibility in detail? Can it help people deal with relationships,
with its ups and downs?
Astrology
can be very useful in relationships. The horoscope, as I have said,
is a blueprint of energy and potential. When you put two of them next
to each other, to compare in a romantic relationship, and others too
in different ways, you can tell, in great detail, how the two
people's energies interact. Unless the two despise each other, in
which case they would not need astrology since they wouldn't come
together, or not long, or are idyllically happy, in which case they
wouldn't need astrology or anything else, most relationships fall
somewhere in the middle. Thus, you can tell in great detail where
they are compatible and good, where conflicts are likely to rise,
areas to develop and others not to. Mental rapport, emotional
compatibility, sexual mutuality, financial interests, values,
religion, travel, friends, home, work, etc., are all areas to
compare. For some people age, status, wealth, others' opinions are
important, for others they could care less; this shows up. And most
essentially, are there enough YESes to want to pursue it? Or might
the NOs cause so many problems one might prefer a more compatible
one? Obviously it is a detailed interview. I do not ever tell anyone
to stay in a relationship or not; not my job. It is up to them. I
give information, and they can do with it what they want. But it is
good information and useful and have gotten lots of good feedback on
it. The same applies indifferent ways to family, friend, business and
other comparisons too. If one person is strong in an element, fire,
air, earth, water, and the other not, there would have to be a lot to
compensate for that, for example. Though one could, in principle.
Thus, one can certainly use astrology as a useful help in enhancing
relationships.
Phil,
what would be your advice for all of us for the year 2012?
My
advice for everyone would not be astrological, simply because to
really give advice for a year, you need to do each individual
horoscope, personally. I am not one, there are those who do, look at
general placements and feel you can predict for the world. That is
rather arbitrary. Though I know the theory behind it. That said,
there are a few things. First, I am not one of those who think the
world will end in 2012 with the Mayan thing, etc. There are all kinds
of theories on that, none conclusive. I do know that for thousands of
years someone has been predicting the imminent end of the world, and
here we are! So I wouldn't worry much about that. I would also say to
anyone interested, this year, don't take the words of supposed
leaders and experts on everything. Think for yourself. You can
consider them, that's all. Also, laugh all you can. A sense of
absurdity defuses pomposity, egotism, arrogance and for that matter,
boredom among others. Fun is good! Do what you like as much as you
can. That does help live up to your potential, astrologically and
otherwise. Be kind as much as possible. Oh, yes, you might also
consider getting your personal horoscope done! And all the best.
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